Jackson Channing

Hey there listener. In this episode I have a yarn with my mate Jackson Channing. Jacko is  the singer and songwriter for his band Resident. We chat about work, life, and making an album. Share some interesting stories about hospital visits, and aee if you can hear the moment I have no idea what Jacko and Owen are talking about. Still gotta get that nerd alert button for the studio. 

Song Credits

Ring Of Chain                                                                                                                 Preformed by: Citizen                                                                                      Written by: Mat Kerekes                                                                             Produced by:  Will Yip                                                              Source: Run For Cover Records 

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Jackson Channing                                   

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Transcript

Jacko 0:08

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

Jimmy 0:12

Cheers. Alright, welcome to Studio 2. This is a music podcast. I'm your host Jimmy. Over there we have Owen. Owen's the producer. Say hi, Owen. Producer's a loose term. Well, Owen's the magic man. And today we have Jackson Channing, a workmate of mine and a pretty cool guy. We're going to talk to Jacko about a few things today. Jackson's in a band, he works in the AV industry, and you have a little home studio set up as well, don't you? I do, I do. Thanks for having me. So we're going to have a little chat about that. And you know, look, I thought, why have a music podcast and not plug your mates' bands, right? That's so I'll take it. Let's get in there. Um so, Jacko, where are you from?

Jacko 0:58

I'm originally from the Central Coast. Um, I grew up in Blue Haven, actually.

Jimmy 1:02

Okay.

Jacko 1:02

Um we won't hold that against John. Yeah, I know, it's pretty rough. Um, so I was always a coasty. Um, yeah, moved to um Sessnock with my wife, um, Ses Vegas. So I like to make it. It makes me feel better. That one. Yeah. Um, but she's she's been good to me. Um, yeah, so coasty.

Jimmy 1:21

And you are in a rock and roll band? Rock and roll band. And your band is called Resident. And how many members in resident for me?

Jacko 1:29

Four residents in residence. Four residents in resident.

Jimmy 1:32

You reside.

Jacko 1:33

That's it.

Jimmy 1:34

Do you all reside around SESSI now?

Jacko 1:36

Uh we most of us did. Um my drummer moved a bit closer to me. He was originally Newcastle, and my guitarist moved from uh Ellerlong, which is pretty close, to Maitland.

Jimmy 1:46

Yeah, cool.

Jacko 1:46

So everyone's pretty close. Our bassist is uh Cooks Hill, so he has a bit of a drive. But he's only the bass player, don't worry. That's it, yeah. Yeah, he does what he's told, right?

Jimmy 1:55

He's pretty good. Yeah, cool. Um, so early life. You grew up on the central coast where you were you're in a musical family. Like, do your parents play music or uh yeah, my old man plays.

Jacko 2:06

Um he built the house that I grew up in uh by doing solo gigs, actually, which is pretty cool.

Owen 2:11

That's mad. Yeah, yeah, really cool. You could not do that.

Jacko 2:14

No, no, not at all, not a chance. Um, so he worked his absolute ass off. Um yeah, uh just dad. So I've got a little brother, he listens to music, has a really good ear, but never played. Um my mum is completely tone deaf, love lover, tone deaf as, but um yeah, grew up on a lot of um really good music, so it just um fell into my lap a little bit. Yeah, um dad was actually uh a little nervous. He's got a um 1972 Telecaster Deluxe Um Japanese, absolutely awesome. Um, but I'm left-handed, so he always like was he's like he's never gonna play my guitars ever. Uh and yeah, I would have been six or seven, and he handed it to me, and I just picked it up this way. So it's it's completely opposite. I should be playing this way. Um, so yeah, that um that worked out really well. Um so if it wasn't for dad spending lots of time sitting on the um kitchen bench showing me chords, it wouldn't have happened.

Jimmy 3:13

Yeah. So you're left-handed, but you play guitar right-handed. Correct. Yeah, awesome. That's sick. That is pretty sick. I actually went to school with a guy and he could play guitar left and right-handed and upside down both ways. That is insane. It was pretty mental. It's fucked up.

Owen 3:26

So did he still play guitar?

Jimmy 3:28

I to be honest, I haven't spoken to him since high school. He was in a couple of years, a couple of grades older than me. I was in the same grade as Luke, who we chatted to the other day. Um but he and I mean I'm you know, he wasn't Jimi Hendrix doing for plays guitar, but he could, you know, play some power chords and shit anyway, any way you wanted. I'm like, that's that was impressive.

Jacko 3:46

I don't have enough brain cells for that. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

Jimmy 3:48

Hell no. Um, so you where we're at. So basically you didn't grow up in a you grew up in a musical family, so you kind of follow in your dad's footsteps steps there, yeah, yeah, quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. And um that guitar, do you get to play that?

Jacko 4:05

Uh it's actually so he lives uh seven hours south uh in the caravan. Like he's he's got a house, but um yeah, he went nomadic for a couple years there, uh and it's still under his bed in the caravan. I'm not gonna say where. Yeah, that's probably smart to not, but uh actually more than the fucking caravan.

Owen 4:22

No, way more, way more.

Jacko 4:25

Um yeah, he's um he's getting on, you know, so he's um struggling with his hands a little bit. He still still plays. Um he's 66, yeah, still plays gigs um where he is, and um yeah, he actually said to me the other day, if um if my hands go, you can have it. Yeah, so which I you know means when you gotta cut his hands off. Well, well, that's the drop the caravan, you know. Um yeah, so I I don't really like it's super sentimental to both of us, so I don't really want to take it, but also probably take it.

Jimmy 4:54

Of course you want it, yeah. Um, so yeah. Oh, you see, um I'm in a couple of like guitar Facebook pages, and every now and then somebody will be like, Oh, cleaning up my grandfather's house and just found this, and it's like a pre-warten, like in a coffin case, and they're like, What do I do with it? And everyone's like, Um, keep it? What do you mean? And then somebody's like, take it to Gruen and sell it for 50 grand, you know? Yeah, there's a fine line with that, isn't it? Well, there is a fine line. I mean, look, if I found a guitar in one of my dead grand grandparents' houses, there's no way in the world I'd sell it. I'd definitely play it. But um, you know, if you're if you don't play it, it means nothing at all to you. Like, maybe somebody who will enjoy it should have it. Like, I'd yeah, so I think every it's case by case basis on that for me. I think totally, yeah.

Jacko 5:38

I feel like a lot of people that have uh musician parents but aren't musicians themselves fall into that, like, well, I'm just gonna sell it and buy a BT50 or something. Yeah, so if you're a musician yourself, it's uh I feel like it becomes incredibly important to you.

Owen 5:51

Yeah, that's for sure. Your old man playing solo gigs, was he back in the day? Was he like, you know, doing pubs and doing heaps of covers, or was he like doing his own music or uh yeah, so mainly covers and stuff.

Jacko 6:05

It's just sort of like your generic sort of pub um cover band. He had a duo for a while there, that's what built the house. Um Mungo is his nickname, um, and so he named it Mungo Jack, which is pretty cool. Um that was before I was born. Um always sort of had the name picked out, which was awesome. Um, and yeah, so when I was growing up, he was in a band called Too Fake, and they played like the Charmy Tav and you know Halakalani and stuff like that. They got around quite a bit. Um, but yeah, he he told me this story once how he had a whole songbook full of originals, and like he he remembers one or two, and he's played them for me, and they're fucking awesome. Um someone stole his book. Like, this is obviously before phones and shit, and that broke his heart. Like, we're talking 19 years old to fucking 30 something, gone, just gone before he can back anything up, you know. So um he basically never wrote again. Um, but yeah, if the two, three things he's played for me are fucking really lovely. So now that I'm sort of recording again before he um, you know, passes um as he's getting on. Um, I really want to record what he can remember. I think that would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's him in the studio with you. Yeah, yeah. Uh but yeah, no, he's always from my upbringing, just um just been rocking pubs, which is cool. It's his own thing, you know.

Owen 7:25

Absolutely, yeah.

Jimmy 7:26

And so um being a songwriter yourself, how does that process work for you?

Jacko 7:31

Songwriting, yeah, it's kind of a weird thing, it just depends, really. Um, I write a lot alone, um, I produce a lot alone now. Um, but you know, obviously when the whole band is in a room together and we got time at Prague or something, we just play. Um, a lot of times something will just come out of us, and if we can't expand on it, then I'll usually take it away and write lyrics to it and stuff like that, and then um we'll reconvene and sort of uh expand on it. But um, yeah, maybe the last yeah, we're all getting old, everyone's got full-time jobs, it becomes difficult. So um I've just been doing a lot of producing and just writing stuff and um I guess handing it out to the boys, and then with a whole song we'll basically refine it, which has been an interesting process. It's not typically how I've always done it. Um, but yeah, that's been cool. Um, yeah, lyrically it just happens sometimes. Sometimes I just get absolutely nothing. Sometimes I'll power write four songs. Um so I don't really have a formula, you know. I just kind of swing and pray basically. It's like a lot of things, yeah.

Jimmy 8:39

Four chords in a dream. That's it. That's it. Uh nice. Um, yeah, I mean that's that's really interesting way to hear it. Like it's always kind of different. I keep hearing this all the time. It's it's you know, no, no one way to write a song, and I you know, I'd I definitely get that. Um when you are having trouble writing lyrics, by the way, I'm just getting tips on how to write really good songs for the next little bit, and then I'm gonna bring out a kill out and give you the source. Uh so when you're struggling to write lyrics, where do you try to find inspiration? Um, I know you know, I've been reading a little bit about it and I've seen some different ways. I thought Jack White's method was really interesting when he gets stuck, he grabs about six different books and just picks like three different things out of three different books and then tries to create a story in between those three different segments, which is yeah, which I'd like when I heard that, I'm like, oh that's you know, that's that was pretty fucking cool to um to hear. Have you got any any little tricks you do?

Jacko 9:43

Kind of similar in a way, like I I think one of the biggest things is learning to let go and not forcing it. Um, and a lot of times, you know, reading books and watching shows, uh some keywords, like some people will say a cool word and it will just like click something in my head. Um, but yeah, I love that idea of just um making it work, you know, not really forcing it, but like it's not coming out of me. So what can I do to like at least start that creative journey? Um, and I guess yeah, mine would be similar in that regard, just pick cool words. Um, I just try and rhyme a lot of things, you know. Typically, once you like, at least in my experience, once you're on a roll, it will then come out of you. Um, and I start that by trying to just like rhyme words that aren't like incredibly cliche, and especially soft rhyming. Um, just anything that isn't too generic in a way, and then usually a lot of the times I'll rhyme the words and then I'll try and create phrases actually behind the the last word of the sentence sort of thing. And then you know, the it's trial and error, it might be absolute dog shit for eight lines and then something will start happening. And then uh yeah, if anything in those sentences are cool, usually I just um if I don't like it, I'll just rephrase them or and usually it's just you know creating 56 puzzle pieces and then just picking the ones you actually like and putting them back together. Um that's what I do quite a bit.

Jimmy 11:04

Um yeah, cool, and so you said you've been doing a a lot of producing, so and then handing out to the boys. So you're writing all the parts for the songs yourself?

Jacko 11:14

Uh a lot of times, yeah. I'm pretty grateful. Like um my wife and I have a spare room which was our office and just jacked it totally. Um I've got I've got a line of guitars, I've got acoustics, um, I've been incrementally buying mics and stuff like that. Um yeah, had an uh electric drum kit, but then I got like pretty quick at just like midi clicking, um, human eyes, you know, just things to make it sound a bit better. Um so yeah, I kind of now have all the tools to do that. Where prior I didn't really want to step on anyone's toes in a way, yeah. Um, but now in terms of like not really being able to just like spend eight hours in a crack room at times, I just write whatever I think the boys would like, and and usually it changes like the um the album we just did um completely changed from my demos. That was a lot from the boys as well, but also um our producer Elliot um completely just um pulled it apart, put it back together again. So that that's what I expect. I don't really expect to write something and it be finalized. I just write something for the sake of having like this is my idea, introverse, you know, post-verse, chorus, verse two, bridge, breakdown outro. But at least there's something there, and then we just play it, and if it doesn't feel right, we change it. Change it, yeah.

Owen 12:29

Yeah, cool. I think that's the beauty of being in a band as well, because you know, everyone puts their own little flavour on it. Like you can give them the roadmap, but they're gonna get there in a different way, which I think helps in a sense. Like it definitely because you know, even if I mean are you a guitarist by trade? Is that your yeah, so your drum parts compared to your drummer's drum parts might be totally different. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Jacko 12:54

I feel very good when like sometimes he says to me, like, you nailed this on the fucking head. I'm like, we're getting there. Yeah.

Jimmy 13:02

Oh, there's even songs that you know I used to play my band years ago, and now when if I'm playing them alone on my acoustic, I'll play them completely differently than I would if I was, you know, in in the band. And I you know, you you kind of like that to a point. I was played it to Bert one day. I'm like, oh listen to this, and he goes, Don't do that to my fucking song. Sorry, mate, I just thought I'll play that when you're not around then.

Jacko 13:28

That's nearly a new song, isn't it? Yeah, I think the word uh roadmap is pretty much bang on the whole idea of um self-riding, you know, it's just a roadmap to then expand on.

Jimmy 13:39

Yeah. So in your little home studio you've got, um little. Um it's little. It's little, yeah. What's your what's your your bit of equipment that you can't do without?

Jacko 13:52

Like well the interface, just straight off the bat. Um I'd be cooked without it. That's a producer joke. Literally could not convert into digital without it. Straight up this thing does. Um yeah, mine's an interesting setup. Um, so the whole idea was it being a silent prack rig, um, which I think you'll you'll enjoy this. Um, I didn't want anything. I I love this to death. What I'm looking at is fucking insane. I can't pick that up and move it.

Jimmy 14:24

So I got a fuck no.

Jacko 14:26

Imagine unwiring it and no. So I have an 8RU um case, uh, and then I've got uh like a Behringer headphone amp. Um I have an OctoPree now which goes under the interface so I can expand. Um but originally I just had the Pro 40 and I just had enough to send stereo um outputs from the interface into the headphone amp, sick. Uh which worked really well. Um everything, obviously at that stage, a lot of it was just plugins, just VST, almost everything. I had MIDI drums um being played, triggered by a TD17, but um still MIDI. And I at one stage I really thought like my laptop is going to light on fire. Um had no latency at all. So that started a rabbit hole for me. Um, yeah. So as I said, I've got the OctoPree now. Um those two just live in harmony together. Um, I recently just got the XR18 like two days ago. Haven't wired it in yet, but um, I'm gonna convert that to like an IE am rig.

Owen 15:20

Nice, yeah.

Jacko 15:21

Um, so to further to your question, if my whole box wasn't the way that it is, I'd be fucked. Like there's just no way that you could really do this. Um, at least with the full band experience, in my opinion. Obviously, you can just get like a two i2 sapphire and make it work.

Owen 15:36

But then like it's I think like band music is the hardest thing to to do by yourself. Like a hundred percent, yeah, it's the toughest thing to do. Because you know, producers can sit in their bedroom exactly with a fucking two-channel interface and a fucking SM7B or SM57, and they can make bedroom pop or bedroom EDM or bedroom whatever the fuck they want. It sounds crap, but that's the appeal, so it sounds awesome, but it's way harder to even even demo the feeling of a band playing playing together. Like MIDI drums are always gonna be MIDI drums. Um so until you get the band together, it's super hard to even know if you're even if your roadmap's right, really, like until everyone's doing it together.

Jacko 16:24

Yeah, like you just have to play it, you know, and and you kind of know within yourself like whether you're forcing something or if transitions aren't exactly right, like you kind of just feel it a little bit, which is interesting. Um, but yeah, it's been a whole rabbit hole. This is something I wish I got into way, way earlier. Um, I've only really been into it for the last maybe three years, and it purely started with that headphone rig. Uh, and then yeah, I just wanted to get demos out, and then I went downhill into the whole producing rabbit hole. Um, like, what the fuck is a compressor? You know, like what what the fuck is that even doing? Like, I've been absolutely just like do you know now? A little like I'm starting to hear it a bit for sure.

Owen 17:05

Try it on piano, that's the easiest thing. Okay, just just even if you're not gonna put piano in a song, I found that piano and vocals are the kind of the two places that you start to hear at first, yeah. Right, and then slap it across slap like a compressor across like a whole mix of a song, yeah, and make it pump and make it weird, and then you'll start to deeper understand when when and where you're putting it and when it's good and when it's bad, yeah. When it's pumping and when it's shit, yeah, when you're losing transients, and yeah. Hell yeah. But yeah, no, that's the the most classic question in the world.

Jacko 17:38

Basically, it's spent three years going like the fuck is this thing dude?

Owen 17:41

Is my attack time right? I don't know.

Jacko 17:43

Yeah, and using using like the release knob to like push it further into the mix and forward and stuff. I'm I'm only just starting to like theoretically understand it in a way. Um, but yeah, I've been doing a lot of like LA2A to like tame the transients and then like 1176 to like colour it in a way.

Owen 18:00

So I'm definitely swap them around, that works as well.

Jacko 18:02

Yeah, I've heard basically just fucking do whatever until it sounds good, which is way more towards where I sit with things, like just press buttons and pray. Yeah, um, but yeah, like what the fuck is a compressor doing?

Owen 18:14

I also think try and like I all I tell the students here as well, like uh especially when you're mixing and you're trying to get it right, think of it more like a dot work painting than like brush strokes, if you know what I mean. Like it should be like should be like this compressor doing a B stick and this compressor doing a B's stick and then this thing over here doing a little bit, and it should all all of the little dots should start to bring the whole thing into the proper picture. It shouldn't be like one slap of one thing.

Jacko 18:45

Yeah, yeah, awesome. Yeah, that's great advice.

Jimmy 18:47

Yeah, they all different dots are different uh colours of paint.

Owen 18:52

Yeah, or sometimes they're the same colour, but they're just different things, uh like you've used a different brush, maybe, or you've used a fucking little cotton bud, or you've used a chopstick or yeah, yeah, a roller.

Jacko 19:04

Great way to visualize it for sure. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's awesome.

Jimmy 19:07

Yeah, cool. So your interface you can't do without compressors can go fuck themselves. Basically, yeah. You got a new toy the other day?

Jacko 19:16

I did, yeah. Bought a 2001 Gibson Explorer. Yeah, bro, yeah, it's crazy. I'm I'm fucking broke without a doubt.

Jimmy 19:26

Doesn't matter, you got a cool guitar. Yeah, yeah.

Jacko 19:28

It was originally 2400 and then it landed in Australia, and um the couriers were just like, yeah, um, tariffs, bro. Yeah, that's yeah, an extra 400. So yeah, that's uh it's a $3,000 explorer. Yeah. Um, yeah, fucking awesome though, so worth it. Like I just wanted to not really flex, but I just wanted like, you know, as I was talking about that telecaster before, that's what I want this to be. Like if I have a kid, it's like holy fuck, that is a Gibson Explorer.

Owen 19:55

Yeah, fucking rocks. You can't touch it though, you can just look at it.

Jacko 19:58

Yeah, um, but yeah, fucking awesome. It was just refredded. Um, it has dings and nicks, and the paint's all fucked up. Like, I love it so much, it's like a genuine relic sort of thing. Um, and it means I'll actually play it. Like if it gets a knock, who gives a fuck?

Jimmy 20:11

Um, I mean somebody else has played it too, you know, and that's I think that's the good thing about like I I like broken things. Well not broken things, but I like broken in things. Broken in things, yeah. I totally broken in and yeah.

Jacko 20:24

I'd love the um I'd love to know who in Japan has owned it, you know, like because I there's no way for me to connect it at all unless someone's posted in a forum with the serial or something. Yeah, I'd love to know whose hands it's been passed down for sure. Um it's played, yeah, yeah, and just what genres and shit. Like it'd be such an awesome um roadmap, I guess, of the guitar. Um big roadmap. Yeah, big roadmap fucking podcast boys. Um yeah, no, it's um took a little bit to get used to, so I've always been Fender. Um I have a Jazz Master just to play a series, just as my I just play gigs with this thing. This is bought to be gigged. Um I've got a I think it's a 2003 Mexican strat with um duck buckers and a hot rail in the bridge. Fuck yeah. Fucking awesome, dude. Awesome. Um I set it up with 54s for our album. I don't I don't know if I'll ever go back.

Owen 21:14

Nice.

Jacko 21:15

Um and yeah, just like a squire jumbo Jazz Master, um, the custom ones.

Owen 21:19

I've got one of those.

Jacko 21:20

Yeah, the awesome hey, that's pretty cool. Does yours have Duncan's in it?

Owen 21:23

Uh no, but I I've been saying it since I got it. I want to put in um Doctor something fucking pickups that I can't remember what they're called. Yeah, okay. But I wanted to like do a split coil thing in the back. But anyway, yeah, totally.

Jacko 21:39

The um yeah, the Duncan pickups that came in it, uh I don't even know what they are, but they're fucking one of the best sounding things I've ever heard. Um so yeah, always always been uh Fender. And then I bought a um Kasuga Les Paul, which is very interesting.

Owen 21:54

Is that like one of those 70s? Yeah, the lawsuit era, yeah, yeah.

Jacko 21:57

Bolt on neck. Um it's just like a ash. I think it's not like full mahogany or anything. Loved it. I love it, sorry. But yeah, it snaps strings all the time. It's definitely a studio guitar. Sounds awesome, just still stock pickups. A little bit like mid-scooped naturally. It's a bit of a weird thing. But yeah, that was my like trial of Gibson's, not actually Gibson, but I was like, I'm just gonna see what it feels like. Absolutely fucking loved it. And then um, yeah, just something in me one day was like, I just want a fucking explorer big time. And then I saw Joey from Feel the Pain, he has a uh like a timber um explorer. It was the first time I'd ever seen an actual Gibson Explorer in like in person. Um, and my jaw was on the fucking floor, and I was like, I just I just have to have one.

Jimmy 22:45

Yeah, they're so cool.

Jacko 22:45

Yeah, so I just saved my absolute fucking ass off, like just worked as hard as I could. Um and yeah, got it. That's mad. It arrived in a it got flown in a fucking soft case. Yeah, patted up like it was all good. Like I had um no negative reviews and like 4,000 sales. So I was like, the odds are pretty good here. Reverb's good, they do like um uh I guess like buyer protection naturally. Um so yeah, I was like, fuck it, I'm just gonna run it and see what happens. And um, yeah, and the box didn't even have a ding on it. Huge. Yeah, that's bad. Uh so yeah, it's fucking awesome.

Owen 23:18

What um what amp are you pushing it through?

Jacko 23:20

I haven't actually put it through an amp yet. Um, very interested on that.

Jimmy 23:24

I it's very new, like very new. Very new, yeah, literally uh two days ago. Yeah, yeah.

Jacko 23:29

Um so I went for plugged it in by now. Oh no, I have but not an amp. So I put it in the uh put it in the interface. I had like a um 5150.

Jimmy 23:37

Classic, yeah.

Jacko 23:38

It's just my go-to now. Um, it's the most, I think, real sounding um VSD for an amp. It's the uh guitar, what is it? Oh, it's fucking native instruments like guitar effects or some shit. Guitar rig seven, yeah, yeah. That one is pretty good. Yeah, it's not bad. Uh there's a few that you like. This is fucking terrible. Yeah, um, but yeah, the 5150 is awesome. And I set it up, sort of tweaked it, and just got it to a point, and then I just had like three beers and just riffed the fuck out on it. So I'm very interested to hear what it sounds like through a rear lamp. Um, I have a 76 Joule Showman 100 watt.

Owen 24:11

Cool.

Jacko 24:12

Fucking sounds unbelievable. Um, it's just on two, it would delete the windows from my house. Yeah, um, so I need a practice for that. So I kind of I'm thinking about saving that. Like I just want to experience that like with the band for sure. So yeah, um, but usually I go AC15 um Carl Martin DC drive is my main tone. Um I got that in a trade uh and literally just have never taken it off my board as my main and uh Bondi C cars is usually the those are mad, yeah. Super mad uh a bit more good for like the I don't know um verse section, you know, pushing the amp to the breaking point kind of sound. And then DC driver's just like chorus the whole way. Um so yeah, very interested. I mean, I would not be surprised if I plug it in with my setup and go, I fucking hate this. I would not be surprised. Um that's what I found with the Cassoo guys, like I just had to tweak the tone knob and shit, it just comes out differently. Um so I do expect that, but fuck the sustain on these things is insane. Yeah, like mahogany body, mahogany neck, I think it's ebony fretboard. Um so yeah, it'll fucking rip for sure. Um so anyway, you can probably tell I'm super stoked. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Owen 25:23

Yeah, I hope it's a guitar nerds. Listen to this episode and just enjoy a lot of that.

Jimmy 25:29

So do I. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. So do I. I actually um I I plugged my SG in a couple of weeks ago and I clicked my Marshall Governor, which was my favourite fucking so good. And I'm like, Why aren't you fucking working? And I started kicking it, and I'm like, and I pulled it apart, and it I live near the beach, and everything in there just looks destroyed from the ocean. So yeah, I'm gonna give her a cleanup with some isopropyl and see if I get it working again. But at the moment it looks destroyed, so I have to go through all my gear now and see what else I've just got. Yeah, well that's it, yeah. It's close to the beach. Yeah, it's a bit disappointing, but that's not doesn't sound so fucking bad now, does it? Uh yeah, well, it's funny, it's since I've been up at Summersby from north of Okra up to Summersby, like my guitar just handles it's a 20-minute drive, and my guitar handles the climate so much better. Yeah, it's crazy. Um so yeah, so we've had a little chat about your studio. So A V, how does how does your job in audiovisual kind of relate to you know what you love doing in music? I suppose you get to set up some of these systems. I know I know the the setup at the uni's pretty pretty hectic. Pretty wild. Yeah, pretty wild.

Jacko 26:46

Um yeah, I mean, a lot of people in the A V industry are typically musicians, um, sound engineers, and IT. Um so you know, so you get a lot of people um installing sound stuff that don't know what they're doing, but they you can deal with all of the networking without an issue. And I'm definitely on the other side. Um, I came pretty good because I was doing a lot of um access control for a long time, a lot of security cameras, um yeah, access points um for networking and stuff. So I I got lucky that I picked it up. Um but yeah, primarily I fell into it uh purely from like building pedal boards and stuff. Like you can't, it's all the same shit, really. It's just different connectors and stuff. Um, but yeah, no, I was like, I wasn't doing much. I was a support worker, that was that was awesome. Um, had a lot of really good clients, and you do a lot of really good work for people that need it. Um but yeah, I just wanted to be a bit more hands-on on the tools and stuff. Um, and yeah, A V uh was awesome for that. Like you've seen it's almost the same shit. Like it's just nightmare fuel, and then the end result, you're like, this is fucking awesome. This is cool, yeah. So worth it. Um, but yeah, I just I it just kind of happened to be honest. I didn't really intend it to, but yeah, went to like residential uh AV. Um, and then I started subbing for the company that I work for now um through uh Adam. Yeah, it's a great friend. Um and yeah, just uh ended up in commercial A V Dawn. This like you've seen the size of the fucking uni. It's crazy Newcastle Uni. Yeah, yeah, the new campus up here.

Owen 28:12

Oh nice. Oh, you're both working on the same side? Yeah, but we knocked out, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

Jimmy 28:17

Awesome. So we've got um so Jackson, like so for guys, the podcast isn't even out yet as as we're recording this. And um, we've got Jackson and one of the other boys, Aiden. They're pretty much super fans of the podcast. So I thought it'd be good to get um Jackson to have a bit of a chat. 100%. Um and Aiden will love the shout-out. So Aides, thanks for listening to me.

Owen 28:39

Um fucking shit nickname. Sorry, Ron.

Jimmy 28:42

I didn't even Aides. Call him Dan instead. Like, who who made who said that the first part of the name should be the nickname? Like everyone calls Roberts Rob, but Burt's a much better nickname than that.

Jacko 28:56

That's fucking Bert's good.

Owen 28:58

Yeah, yeah.

Jacko 28:59

Anyway, anyway, shout out to Aides. Yeah, shout out to being Aides.

Jimmy 29:05

Um yeah, awesome. So you guys have been uh making a record.

Jacko 29:11

Yeah, well, we made the record now, yeah.

Jimmy 29:14

So hang on before we go there, I've got a quick question. I've been listening back to a few episodes just to see if they're shit or not.

Owen 29:21

And James is staring intently at me as a question. You just wait on.

Jimmy 29:30

No, so is there a difference between an album and a record?

Owen 29:35

Yeah. Well, I mean, y yeah, all albums are records, but not all records are albums.

Jacko 29:42

Okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

Owen 29:45

Because you can talk about like making a record and you could be making a single. You know what I mean? Like we're we're making it's like it's also like I always think about it as like the most like American like douchebag way of talking about making your music. Yeah, man, we're making a record at the moment. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, is the record an EP, an LP, is it a single? Um, so it could be it could be anything. Most I'd say 75-ish percent of the time people are referring to it as an album. Yeah. But I mean, there is there are many times that they're like we're making this record.

Jimmy 30:25

I just didn't know if it was something like that, like it was a music industry, like, we're making a record. If I'm wrong, my part could be wrong, but I'm not sure. I'm still confused about it too. Like, well, so my when I was a kid, you put a record on, right? So vinyl, you put a record on. Yeah. And then cassettes came out and you put a tape on. Yeah. And then CDs come out, you put a CD on. So in my head, a record like growing up, I was like, a record is a vinyl.

Owen 30:54

Yeah, for sure.

Jimmy 30:55

And and a cassette is a cassette, and a CD is a CD, but they're all albums. Okay. If it's a yeah length.

Owen 31:01

So I'd say they're all records, but like it's yeah, we I think where you started is where the term record started. Because you can put on a vinyl and it can still be a single.

Jacko 31:11

But they're called record players as well, you know. Like it's kind of in the name of it.

Owen 31:15

Yeah, yeah. Because that that was the first form of like um consumable slash really sellable music is is a record. Because before that it was wax cylinders, yeah. Yeah. And you couldn't really like you couldn't really fucking sell them. Like you could, and some people like only the uber wealthy had something that could play a wax cylinder back. And um yeah, so um yeah. To answer your question, I think so.

Jacko 31:43

Uh but I also could be saying Yeah, my um, my understanding is and you're you're gonna love this. Um my understanding is uh anything past the point of six tracks is an LP. So that's how I sort of view it. Um, you know, four to six tracks is an EP. Yeah. Um anything past that is an album, right? So I'm leading leading the fucking witness here. So we'd already done an EP. Um, we got absolutely fucked by COVID and we just had to drop it because we were like, there's no, we can't do anything with this, like, we're not gonna sit on it, let's just put it out. That was six tracks, and then when we came into this, I had 11 uh written originally, and then it was kind of like by the time we went to do it and we got the fucking quote, we were like, probably not, it's very expensive. Um so I wrote two interludes to get it over the six-track line. Gotcha. Um, one interlude ended up just being the intro to the song, but the idea was that like it'll be an eight-track LP, which I would then call an album in a way. It's not a 12-track fucking thing, but um, but yeah, so that that actually joined on one of them. So there's only one interlude and it goes from minute 30, but that minute 30 album. That was the idea. So it's it's a little funny because I say, like, yeah, we recorded an album, like you know, we're doing a record, but realistically it's a fucking six-track EP with some cool noise in between two of the songs. But I'll I'm taking that shit.

Jimmy 33:12

Yeah, take it. Yeah, yeah.

Jacko 33:14

Um, but yeah, I don't fully understand it either. Um, I get different things from different people, but yeah, like um Elliot Gillart, who does um yeah, you know the band Speed, High Band, fucking massive sick band, crazy, it does volatile ways, uh Endless Heights, whatever forever. Um, he basically said the same thing, like anything over um six is kind of like past the point of an EP. So I'm just I mean, that dude knows what he's fucking talking about as well. So who am I to fucking say anything? 100%. So he said it's an album, it's a fucking album.

Jimmy 33:44

It's an album, cool. So the whole making of the album process, the making of the record process for you. How did that so you obviously produce a lot of these songs yourself and hand them out to the boys now? Are you then recording them play to make the how does that can you break down that whole process for me?

Jacko 34:04

Yeah, for sure. Um, so this was an interesting one for me because it was right at the start of me trying to do the demos, but at least three of the songs we'd pretty much written in a prank room. So we were right on the fucking border of falling into that self-producing demo sort of uh thing, and yeah, um pretty much wrote the rest of the songs around the songs that we were already playing. So some of this we've been playing for like a year and a half live already. Um it's a very long time. Um and yeah, so I had just a win. I did uh I filled in for a band called Bloom, they're a metal core band in Sydney. Um and they had the whole uh Digi IEM rig thing was super awesome, played with D's Narts and Ocean Grove. Um, super cool. Uh and that just kind of lit something in me that was like, I I'd want to do this more, you know. Um, so yeah, we had those maybe yeah, three songs at the time. Um, and I just basically sent it, just fucking locked myself in a room and wrote as much as I could. Uh, and then yeah, once we uh played them enough together uh live that we were like, yeah, this is all working. I redid the demos that we had um to what we were now doing, and that became the demos to the record. Um yeah, there was 11 off the top of my head. Um and then yeah, we sort of went through all of them. Um, and then we ended up deciding to like siphon the best ones and what glued well with each other.

Jimmy 35:30

Um must be a hard process cutting songs out.

Jacko 35:34

It's yeah, it's an interesting thing because like I I don't really ever want to like give the impression to anyone really that like I wrote this, this is how it is. Like, I'm pretty open and arguably sometimes I think it's fucking all dog shit, and then the boys are like, This is the best thing you've ever written. So I'd prefer them to sort of make the call. I'm a little bit too close to it. Um so I have a lot of trust in my whole team, you know. Um yeah, so then we took um ended up being eight, two of them being interludes. Um so we took that and went to uh chameleon studios in Sydney. Uh and I'll fucking never forget it. Elliot walked in, um, like we'd sort of set up the drums, had a chat about what we're all gonna do and stuff, and uh that was day one. It was just what are we what are we doing here? Like, how are we gonna do this? Um, set the drum kit up, set the mics up, and we're fucking trucking tomorrow. And Elliot goes home, uh listens to everything in the car, and then he comes back in the morning and he was like, So are these like your babies? And I was like, Oh, I was like, it depends, like, not not really. Like, I was like, what are you thinking? He's like, I'm thinking we trim the fat. And I was like, Alright. So it is crazy the difference between the demos um to what we have now. There's so many sections cut out of songs, there's so many um transition points that have significantly changed, and all of the credit goes to Elliot. Like, he has such a phenomenal ear for this is dragging on a bit. Um, so yeah, which has already influenced uh the stuff I'm writing now. Like it's just a little bit more to the point, yeah. Um sort of not a pop mentality, but kind of a pop mentality of like just don't um don't have a minute-long intro. Yeah, yeah. Just get to the fucking point.

Owen 37:14

Don't have a don't don't want to have a fucking number one hit song and have a 15-minute guitar solo in it. Well, and that's a great way to put it.

Jimmy 37:22

I thought we'd just discuss this out there.

Jacko 37:25

Look, I'm a blues guitarist by fucking trade. I want I want the solo, no one lets me have the fucking solo.

Jimmy 37:31

I've got to pick a psychedelic song for my music league this week, so I was listening to some psych rock during the week, and it's just like 10 minutes of just wanking on a guitar really. Like, I'm like, this is I just love it. Like, fucking guys.

Jacko 37:45

I would be nothing for sure. Yeah, especially that like stoner doom rock sort of stuff as well. Like just sit on the same riff for 17 minutes. Yeah, yeah. Who gives a fuck? I love that. Yeah, um, but yeah, so that that whole process was like definitely different. Uh, everything we've recorded uh prior would be played as tight as we could in a practicum, and we would I'd always throw my fucking phone with voice memos into a guitar case and close the lid. Nice, and it just had this like sort of balance sort of sound to it. Uh they were the demos, that was it. So um, yeah, it's definitely night and day in comparison, and I think it comes out on a lot of the songs. Um, but yeah, I mean it's all a learning curve, you know. I've been playing for a long fucking time, I've been writing for a long time in heaps of different genres in different bands and stuff, and um, it's always different.

Owen 38:29

Which is uh, how many how many days did you track the album over?

Jacko 38:34

So we did um Monday to Friday twice, just broken up. Obviously, we had to do like all the drums in Mongo, all the bass in Mongo, so tones are the same and stuff. Um and yeah, we kind of just ran short on time, so fucking big shout out to Elliot. Like he just hustled the fuck out for us. I went I went down alone probably on four occasions just to do um get all the vocals in, get all the harmonies in. Actually, a lot of the harmonies on the album I recorded at my place, which is really cool. Um, obviously with harmonies and stuff, they don't have to be recorded perfectly as long as it's not clipping, like you know, you EQ the fuck out of that anyway. So um, but I still take it. I'm like, yeah, that's I recorded that's awesome. Yeah, um, but yeah, and then uh so I went down solo a few times. Um just little things. Elliot, one of the songs, it's sort of like got a waltz to it, six, eight, fucking awesome. There's a bridge bit where we're always deciding whether we wanted like a feature, and I sort of heard like screaming on it sort of thing. Um, and then Elliot was like, Can you come here just to do fucking oohs and ah's? He just wanted like just nice pretty stuff on the sides and fuck it made it. Um so yeah, it was uh originally supposed to be just uh two weeks, really. Um, and yeah, ended up a few extra sessions. Um he we stayed up to fucking 12am a lot. Vintage, yeah. So yeah, I owe a lot to Elliot for this record for sure. Fuck yeah. Um yeah, it's been a ride.

Jimmy 39:59

Matt. And when does it come out?

Jacko 40:02

Uh the whole album comes out on my mum's birthday, actually. I haven't even told her yet. Uh 28th of November. Um, first single is uh the 17th of October. Madness. Um, which is actually coincidentally the first day that we went there to track.

Owen 40:15

A year a year on.

Jacko 40:17

Exactly. A year on.

Owen 40:17

I had that experience recently with an album. Did an album last August and it came out like nearly to the day this August. Yeah, it's weird that isn't it?

Jacko 40:26

Like we completely wasn't planned. It was my basis that was like, Did you mean this? And I was like, fuck no, dude. Like, I don't remember what I did yesterday. How am I gonna remember to fucking coordinate this whole release within the year? But um, I'm sure you'd know as well. Um all the back end stuff that I started in between. Takes up a lot of a lot of time. Um but yeah, I'm still fucking stoked regardless. Like it's been a massive learning experience, and um yeah, I I let my ear reset, I don't listen to it for a while, and then sometimes I'm just like mowing the lawn and I'm like, I'm just gonna listen to the album. I'm still like holy shit, this is really cool.

Jimmy 41:02

Um yeah, it's cool, it's good to be um it's good to be proud of what you do and enjoy it, you know. Like there's nothing worse. So you know, people say I don't I don't listen to my own music. I'm like, what do you mean? Oh I play it all the time, I don't listen to it. But I you have to listen to it to be subjective on it, I think, at some point. So yeah, totally. No, that's cool.

Owen 41:22

I um I find that music that I work on, whether it's just as an engineer or if it's as like a songwriter, then a producer, or as like whatever, I find I listen to it like once when it comes out, and I'm like, Yep, cool, done. And then I move it to like my showreel playlist just sits there forever and I never listen to it again until um it like I have need like a six-month window until I'll even think about listening to it again.

Jimmy 41:51

Yeah, so a producers like trade is like when we're driving around, you got someone in the car going, I built that place. I built that place. Like when a song comes on, do you go, I did that?

Owen 41:59

I occasionally like to flex to my girlfriend.

Jimmy 42:01

Yeah, so yeah, it's only to your kids and your mates, you know, just like stop and random people on the street going, Hey, by the way, yeah, I wrote that song.

Jacko 42:09

Gone under people's car windows, I fucking made that.

Owen 42:13

Oh, you have the mix standing, bro. That's me.

Jacko 42:17

Such a tight low end, you know.

Jimmy 42:20

Are we ready for a second one?

Jacko 42:22

Well, I could have a second beer, mate. It's been a fucking day. The Pover White Sox fan? Thank you. Sorry?

Owen 42:28

Is the Pover White Sox fan?

Jacko 42:34

I love those headphones, man. What are they?

Jimmy 42:36

They're are they all the technical or they're allottenic headphones?

Jacko 42:39

Yeah, I sent them this episode for Sean. One of the one of the clearest headphones I've ever heard.

Owen 42:43

Yeah, clear, comfy, amazing. Studio quality? Studio quality, clothes back, so you know.

Jimmy 42:51

It's a great I was gonna do that thing, you know, where your coughs when you open it, you go, and then I like taking I like taking it, pretending I'm taking a free kick in football.

Owen 43:01

Like I'm lining up to fucking like bend it like Beckham as I fucking hit the ball. That's my go-to.

Jimmy 43:10

So we're still looking for a beer sponsor. Jimmy's sponsoring the beers at the moment, so hell yeah, thank you, Jimmy.

Jacko 43:14

That's right, awesome beers.

Jimmy 43:16

Um, so let's while we're talking about beer, we've got to talk about my stubby holder. So Owen over here, I brought stubby holders for the boys. So I've got the mighty um fake yeti Newcastle Knights stubby holder. I love that. Yeah. Jackson's stuck with just the generic hardware store, came with some beggars aren't users, you know. Came with some free Tim Barber. But Owen, can you read out what's on your stubby holder for me?

Owen 43:42

Mine reads I'm an electrician, electrician all in capitals, because even plumbers, all in capitals, need heroes. Yeah.

Jimmy 43:52

So that has to be on a shirt. Yeah. That was the most expensive stubby holder I've ever bought. Yeah. So in order to get that stubby holder I needed to buy a tub of connectors like wire connectors that we twist our cables together and cap off. And I don't know, connectors are generally not that expensive, but these connectors were very expensive. Like a fucking dollar each. No, it's a fucking Repelek, like shit. Yeah, right. But I really wanted this I really wanted, really wanted the stubby holder. So I paid a hundred bucks for all the connectors just to get the stubby holder. But I wanted that because my brother-in-law Steve O is a plumber. And it was about a week before Christmas we go camping together as a family. And um I waited till one night he said to me, Would you like a refill? And I went, You can put it in that. And I handed him the stubby holder. And I he he looked at it and read it, and he just walked walked away from me without saying anything. And I'm like, this will be good. Anyway, he came back with a Paramatta eel stubby holder.

Owen 44:55

I've got um my mate Tom fucking ages ago now. I think it would have been like 2019, I reckon, for either Christmas or my birthday. He gave me a mug that was like one of those like targeted ad like Facebook Facebook fucking mugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like all black, and in like Jack Daniels font, it says like, Yes, I'm an audio engineer, but I can't make your shit band any better.

Jimmy 45:22

It's just disgusting.

Owen 45:24

And I brought it up to the studio as soon as I got it, and it's lived here ever since. Just fucking pull it out, morning coffee in it, it's the dream. I love dumb merch so much.

Jacko 45:33

Like all the skeleton with the guns and shit.

Jimmy 45:35

Like it's fucking hilarious. I um I bought myself uh a purple unicorn t-shirt just to embarrass my kids. Good stuff. Um so I still own it, it's one of my favourite stripstores, actually. What did I hear you say one day? All I hear is editing. Yeah.

Jacko 45:56

Yeah, but like if you fuck anything up, do you have cues for like anything you're gonna cut out? Like do you clap or no? We just put it all in. Yeah, fair enough, yeah.

Owen 46:04

I sometimes I well I've occasionally spoken to myself and just been like, just fucking get rid of this. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, well you have control, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Jacko 46:15

That's funny.

Owen 46:16

So how long did your album take you to write? So once you felt inspired after playing with those bands, had those few couple of songs kicking around, how long did the the next uh what would have been, seven or eight songs take?

Jacko 46:31

Um I think off the top of my head, like almost a year, maybe like seven, eight months or something before I had um enough in a way. Um all the lyrics were written, the melodies were sort of in place, and um you still kind of know that it needs refinement, but at that point I would have called it done. Um I wrote a lot of the lyrics in uh Thailand actually, which was cool. Um yeah, so it's it's been a long process, you know, even recording itself and getting it out is a year. Um and yeah, it was would have been yeah, at least seven or eight months. Um and then the six months before that that we spent writing the other ones and stuff. So um yeah, it takes a fucking while. I'm definitely trying to um uh come home and try and just write stuff for the sake of it um to get ahead. Like I'm already writing what will probably be the next record now, just so I'm like well and truly ahead of myself, um, which is something I hadn't done. Um but you know what it's like you do fucking 10 hours and shit, like I just want to hit the bed, you know, play play skates out now. So I've been doing no guitar playing, no writing.

Jimmy 47:30

What's that?

Jacko 47:31

Um skate, you know, like skate three and shit, like a T260.

Jimmy 47:34

Okay, cool. I so I don't yeah, um Have you never played Skate 3? I don't showing your age, mate. The last time I played a a computer game. Well I played Murrow Cups called it a computer game. I go I get it. No when I was living I was living in Ireland in the early 2000s. That's hectic. Yeah, and um one of the boys there had a PlayStation and we used to play fucking Tiger Woods golf. Yeah, damn. That part of PS was the first one too. Like that's fucking it's been that long since I played an Xbox or a PlayStation.

Jacko 48:06

You would love Skate though, it's like a fucking icon. Is it Tony Hawk or? No, it's uh it's EA games. It's um so like Tony Hawke's like I don't know if you've played it like I played that one a few years. Yeah, you press the buttons, right? Like skate has the the right fucking joystick is what controls the board flicking. So when you tray flip, you actually have to like shape a tray flip or something. Yeah, fucking awesome.

Owen 48:26

The joysticks are essentially your feet, yeah.

Jacko 48:29

Super cool. Um there's there's been ones out um since then that try and do like you know both sticks, but not there's just something about skate three. Um but yeah, I think it was 14 years in development or something. It only came out like last week on early access. Um, anyways, yeah, I haven't been doing a lot of fucking nothing.

Owen 48:45

I played I went down the rabbit hole of playing the one with both sticks.

Jacko 48:49

Uh Skater XL. Yeah, uh yeah. There's that, and I think Session does that as well. Yeah, I haven't played Session, but that game is fucking good.

Owen 48:57

Yeah, true. No, it's really good.

Jacko 48:58

Yeah, I fucking uh I do love my skate games.

Owen 49:00

I went through a um do you skate in real life?

Jacko 49:04

Yeah, not so much now, like yeah, you know, I'm kind of I had a massive, massive fucking head injury. Like they took my license off me, like full ball. Holy shit, my brain was bleeding. I'm very lucky that I can fucking do anything, seriously. And yeah, like I skated stairs my whole life, um, rails, nothing crazy, but like I was okay. Um, I chipped my jaw real bad once. There's a massive dividend um in my chin here. Um, but never broke a bone once in my life. So no consequences, right? And then I fucking just sat down, you know, like in mass, uh your teachers always like there's a one person that swung on the chair and ate shit. Yep. I sat on a chair, kicked my legs up the brick wall, and like chained up buying this fucking motorbike and just lights out. I just woke up on the ground, like my hands were super numb and stuff. Touched the back of my head and just blood fucking everywhere. It was like a three by three fucking cart and it was deep. And what happened though is like when I hit my head, my brain ricocheted forward, and our design's pretty dumb. Like the our frontal fucking bone, whatever it's called, is super sharp. So I had like an internal bleed for fucking three months or something. Bro, that's that's inauthentic. Yeah, so now I'm scared, you know. I'm I can still I can still skate, I can skate rails and stuff. Um, but I'm fucking scared to commit. Like I'm just super scared that I'm gonna land pre-mail smack my head again because I got lucky once, I might not get lucky again. Big time, I still won't wear a helmet. Yeah, yeah, just stupid, but like there's something about it. I'm like, no, if I'm not doing that, then I'm not skating. But um the only real like the my skateboard's back in the van now, so nice. I've been doing little rolls here and there. Um yes, just once you really have a fucking good knock, it you kind of like there is consequences to this, you know. Um I don't bounce anymore, I just splat and it fucking hurts.

Owen 50:44

I am I got into skating during COVID because I was like, I have a bit of free time and I am I'm really fortunate like music is my job, so that doesn't feel like an outlet for me, like going home and like writing music. Yeah, of course it feels like work sometimes, sometimes it doesn't, and that's good. But I was like, I'm gonna try something new. Teach me to skate, let's fucking let's go for a roll together. And literally, like on the first day that we went for a skate, we went to the the skate park at Terrigal, and I just fucking went down the bank there and just fucking ate shit.

Jacko 51:26

You poop shoot, like where both fucking feet go forward.

Owen 51:28

Yeah, but somehow like fucking uh like I landed on my chin and I fucking put like I think like six stitches there. Damn, yeah, I can definitely say that. And um it was pretty funny, like my mate Tom drove me to the hospital because it was fucking pissing blood and gashed open. He's like, Yeah, you're gonna need stitches. And uh it was the middle of summer, and I remember like I think I would have been a little bit concussed as well, because I was like in the car, like about to pass out. Tom was like, just stay awake, and like ABC Classical was on, and then he like it was starting to like go static in my car. I only like just like hit scan, and then the next thing was the cricket. Oh, what's the school? Back up, boys. And he's fucking squirting shit in my chin, and then um he starts putting the stitches in, and his name was Dr. Will. Um and he he was like, Oh yeah, that looks pretty good. Maybe one more, and like puts in like a fucking fifth stitch, and then he's like probably just one more. And then he's like, This is my first time doing stitches, and I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And then he calls in like his supervising fucking doctor, and he comes in, he's like, uh yeah, no, that looks alright. And I was like, Great, so Hensley had the big dirty scar on my chin. But I kept skating after that because I was like, I was like, you know what? I've I because I at that point I like couldn't couldn't fucking drop in, couldn't fucking do anything. So it was like literally day one of skating. That's it. So I was like, I was like, if I'm gonna injure myself, it's like I've done it at this point. So I kept skating. Yeah, uh until it got to the point where I started being able to like ollie onto things and ollie off things, and then I was like, I'm falling from now beyond my own height, yeah, and this is now terrifying, and I took up golf instead.

Jacko 53:37

It's a lot safer, yeah.

Owen 53:39

It's way fucking first day, just rocked by a ball.

Jacko 53:42

Yeah, fucking hell.

Jimmy 53:44

I've got my own little gossip, was that Gossi Hospital where you got your stitches? I got my own little story down there. I I broke my toe doing some um self-defence training down at West Gossi in Crovogar there.

Jacko 53:54

Just kicking blokes, you know.

Jimmy 53:55

No, what I you know what happened actually, it was one of those mundane accidents where I was standing next to someone and we were we were training in groups next to each other, and as I stepped forward with my right leg, they stepped back with their left leg and my pinky toe wrapped around their Achilles tendon and just went sideways. It was like both of you. Yeah, so it was at a right angle, and I went, Oh, I think that's broken. I think and my instructor goes, Oh, it could be dislocated. He goes, Do you want to lift down the hospital? I'll be right, mate. So I just jumped in the car, drove yourself down to Grossy Hospital. I get down there, they're like, What's wrong? And I'm like, that, and they're like, Oh, come this way, and they go and x-ray it. And you know how the radiographer, like, you go, is it broken? And they always go, Oh, the doctor will be with you. Just fucking tell me. I go, I go, come on, you know. She goes, Waters are usually fucking look like that. Love that. I'm like, no, she's like, There's your answer. Yeah, so get in there, and same thing. I get this, it could have been Dr. Will. Like, um, it sounded like it was Dr. Will. But he comes in, he's looking at it, he goes, Oh, what do I gotta do? I go, You gotta put it back straight, mate. That's what you gotta do. So he he gave me some painkillers, as you know, he's manipulating the bone back into place, and he does it, he goes, Oh, we've got to send you off for another x-ray to make sure it's back in. I'm like, it's straight. What do you talk? Like, it's fine, like it's a pinky toe, like you don't do it. Like, yeah, and um so anyway, he goes and gets it the big guy, and the big guy's like, Oh, we've got to get the second x-ray just to make sure it's in place. I'm like, all right, yeah. He goes, Oh, it could be no sharp bits, whatever. I'm like, okay, so go get the second x-ray, come out, and then the big doctor's like, oh, you know, you could maybe, and I'm like, I'm out of here, guys. I'm like, well, I'm not listening to you guys fight over whether my toe's still broken or not.

Jacko 55:39

If it's pointing fucking north, I'm happy. That's what I'm talking about.

Jimmy 55:42

It used to be that way, now it's that way. Let's walk. So um, yeah, that was uh yeah, good old gossip hospital.

Owen 55:48

Yeah, Dr. Will's stitches were so shit that I pulled them all out myself. Like, yeah, some of them they started to fall out, and then at that point I was like, I'm just gonna start to take this.

Jacko 55:55

Yeah, if they're coming out anyway, I may as well get them out. That's crazy. I um it's while we're on fucking hospitals. I I recently went through a glass door real bad. Um, yeah, I've been just getting bashed the fuck up by life at the moment. Um yeah, my wife, like I just fucking I've got dogs and stuff, and we put um we just put a glass sort of marketplace door up. I just hung the hinges, didn't even put a fucking handle on it, just like hit the trim sort of thing, and and we just push it forwards and backwards. And she's in front of me, she doesn't know I'm behind her, and like I'm walking through and Kate flicks the door, and I fucking put my hand up and I'm already walking forward, like, and it just went, just shattered, and I fucking went through it and there's a massive piece of glass out the fucking side. Like, I'll show you. There's like a huge fucking scar, like up on the road. Yeah, nuts. Um, and yeah, like this is right before we recorded the album as well. So I was like, I'm fucking cooked, chat. Like, this is it's over. Um, and then yeah, fucking went and um got surgery, and I was I was just saying to everyone, I'm just gonna fucking stress that I'm a guitarist. I need my fucking hands. Like, please, I know you do probably 20 of these a day, but like please just fuck if you're gonna be careful now. I'll do it now, sorry. Um, and yeah, I got super lucky. Um surgeon is the guitarist from Outer Control, which is a punk band in Newcastle. Yeah, yeah. Um, Damien is his name. So I was laying in the hospital bed, fucking undies fucking gown and shit, like just yapping about Jackson fucking guitars and all sorts of shit. So I was like, I'm I'm sweet. Um and yeah, so there was there was a complication, like they'd fucking he'd he'd done something and connected something to like my my attendant or my tricep or some shit. Um they sealed me up and went home. I'm like, I can move my fate fingers, that's all I give a fuck about. Yeah, but there was something that was going on where, like, obviously I've gone through a glass door and they they wanted to explore it and just make sure there wasn't glass in there and stuff. And so I'm moving it and I'm like, this fucking hurts, boys. This this sucks. Like, I don't know if it's like just the the stitch or like I'm not sure. Waited for a while, wasn't getting better, and then I was pracking one day with the boys, and I I just I had to stop, like I couldn't play, like it fucked, I was wincing like all the time. It wouldn't happen consistently, but just randomly, like, and what it felt like was like someone was inside my fucking arm with a fucking razor blade. No, I went, there has to be glass in my arm, it just has to still be glass in my arm, it's as simple as that. So I went back to Maitland Hospital. Um, and yeah, this uh doctor sort of starts looking at it. He was fucking, I should have known straight away. I'm not I'm real woozy too, like I'm I'm not really about I can't watch him fucking do it. Um so yeah, he you know sort of starts cutting me and stuff, and you know, he's he's showing me the scalpel. He's like, and this is the scalpel that I'll be cutting you with.

Owen 58:29

And I'm like, That's fucking creepy, weird, bro.

Jacko 58:33

Cool and normal. Don't fucking show me that, bro. I don't want to be here, dude. Like, why am I back here? Anyway, so he's um talking to like obviously the head doctor, I guess, like the foreman in a way, like, you know, this is what I'm gonna do, blah blah blah. And then he fucking, you know, yeah, cuts me doing all this shit. And I when I say I'm pissing blood, I mean fucking leaking blood, dude. Like all over me, all over him, all over the chair on the fucking floor, and I'm going, something's not right, like not at all. Anyway, the other doctor that he was fucking talking to comes over and he fucking fully goes, like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm cooked, I'm fucked. So you know, like the blue pads and shit. I was fucked up doing, yeah, fully fucked up. Like I was like squeezing my wife's hand to fucking death. Like, I was so scared. Um, you know the pads with the fucking white bit and the blue bit? He had the fucking white bit down, you know the bit that soaks up all the shit. Yeah, yeah. But that was should have been my first fucking bit like I'm just I'm just too nice of a guy. I'm like, no, you you've got this, bro.

Jimmy 59:29

You've got it, man.

Jacko 59:30

You got this, yeah. Show me that scalpel again. That was awesome.

Owen 59:33

Anyway, it also takes a pretty crazy guy to be like, you're using your Jack the Ripper fucking noises and shit.

Jacko 59:39

Um, yeah, so he um used the wrong adrenaline in my arm, and that's why I pissed blood everywhere. It's supposed to stop bleeding or slow it down or some shit. And I don't know if he just gave me fucking some number. Yeah, basically, um yeah, and I was down, bro. Um yeah, pissing blood fucking everywhere. Um, the other doctor came in and sort of came in clutch and just like you know, kind of said the other guy I'm gonna go sweep or something like that. Probably shouldn't have a scalpel in your hand, but that was cool.

Jimmy 1:00:06

But um, yeah, so that have you got a sizzly flossus?

Jacko 1:00:09

Don't worry about that, boys. Don't worry about that. Yeah, so that that that curved scar is actually the glass, and then the scar this way is because bro, just went ham.

Owen 1:00:17

Ugh.

Jacko 1:00:18

Just went ham on me. So yeah, that's um that was my last hospital experience. Hopefully it's my last. Yeah, no big time. But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hard to you can't really like take the piss out of them too much. They're so underfunded and constantly under the pump and shit. Like shit happens, you know. But I'm just so grateful that they didn't like nick something in my arm that I lost my pinky because I couldn't have tracked. Yeah, you know, that was um yeah, still grateful. It was a fucking experience.

Jimmy 1:00:39

If I could do it myself, I would. Yeah, well, that's how I go there.

Jacko 1:00:42

Yeah, I've got the um so the whole thing was um he'd uh there was a suture in my arm that um was supposed to have dissolved and just hadn't. Um so I have this little spider-looking fucking thing in like my medicine cabinet, and what was inside my arm's fucking awesome.

Owen 1:00:55

That's pretty that's pretty sick. It's like keeping your bullets. Pretty much, yeah, that's what it feels like.

Jacko 1:01:00

Yeah, so I've just been getting flogged lately, basically, like a head injury and an arm injury, but um, we got there in the end. That's all that matters.

Owen 1:01:06

It actually reminds me of, and we didn't talk about it when we talked to Tori and Maddie, but there's this video of not when they were here last, but the album that she made before that up here, there's a video, she just like had a GoPro set up in Studio One. And Studio One, either side of like the exit and entry of it is two big glass sliding doors. But it's like double-doored big fucking glass sliding doors. And they had ordered like they'd ordered some food or something, and there was someone waiting at the gate. I actually think it was another band member member who was waiting at the gate to come into the studio. And they'd already come in and were sitting in the room, but I'm pretty sure it was Maddie thought that like they'd been waiting at the gate, and he saw like an old text message on his phone that was like 15 minutes old, like, hey man, I'm at the gate, can you buzz me in? And in like the middle of playback or the middle of a take, he like jumps up and goes to run out of the studio and fucking slams into the glass. It's like everyone just like stops and turns around. I'll we'll have to I'll send you the video and you can put it in the fucking link of the episode. We'll put in the link, yeah.

Jimmy 1:02:18

Sweet.

Owen 1:02:19

Fucking hilarious. We all just like stop and like there's like a moment of like, is he dead? No, piss yourself off.

Jacko 1:02:29

Oh, we're gonna go there. You can sample that as a kick or something, you know. Yeah.

Jimmy 1:02:33

So I um talking about yeah, fuck it. I'm gonna do it anyway. So I pissed my pants to work the other day.

Jacko 1:02:41

I'm actually I was literally just sitting here going, I have to fucking piss right about so funny you said that.

Jimmy 1:02:47

So I was up in the I was up in a boom lift, right? Fucking six metres in the air, and I'd been busting for a piss and I but I had one light left to do, and I'm like, no, Jimmy, you can get this light done, you can get this light done. And I was doing that thing where you kind of jump around and I'm I'm jumping around. Maybe if I dance it'll stop. One foot to the other, one foot to the other. And my mate goes on this big site, the boom lift's up in the air, and you need to have a spot, you need to have someone watching you and stopping other people from walking under the boom lift. He goes, What are you doing? I'm like, T-Man, I've got a piss, man, I'm gonna piss so bad. He goes, Come down on my, I've got one more left to do. I just get and I'll go, oh, I've gotta come down, I've got to come down. So I start trying to get the boom lift down. But if you've never seen a boom lift before, there's like eight different moving parts, and every single one has their own lever, and I needed to pee so bad I could have figured out which lever was which. So I'm just like, I can't hold it. I'm pissed in my pants, T-Bo! Ground floor smell weird. It was it was just a knock knocked it off the top so I could get the boom lift down, and I fucking run up to the toilet and I got it out of the way, and then I went back up and I finished my last light that I have to do with like five minutes left, and then I look at my boss and I'm like, I've gotta go home. He goes, Well my, I just pissed my pants. Dude, fucking hilarious. The reason I'm telling this story is because if you own it, people can't make fun of you about it, right? Like, it's fucking hilarious. Just wear that shit. Yeah, so now that everyone at work calls me pissy pants Jimmy, but I'll keep that in mind.

Jacko 1:04:17

That's fucking hilarious. And those scissors, too, they don't want to go up or down. Oh dude. They're fucking so painful. I I would panic big time already. Wait, speak of the devil, I'm gonna have to go hang a slash.

Jimmy 1:04:27

Yeah, to you left. So I was just saying, um that I'd I really have no idea what the majority of this stuff does. Yeah. Well, what have we got? What have we got in this beautiful desk here?

Owen 1:04:39

Um, so the centerpiece of the room of Studio 2 is a Harrison 4032 console. Um, I'm not sure what year it was built. Probably would have been in the 70s. Um, it's the same make and model, not the exact same one, but the same make and model of console that was used on Michael Jackson's thriller.

Jimmy 1:04:58

Oh, cool.

Owen 1:04:59

Uh was also used on some Led Zeppelin stuff. Um so it sounds fucking great. It's famous for having like really beautiful, kind of uh fat sounding EQ uh preamps, and then like a really awesome EQ section. Um Phoenix, that French uh band, they own Michael Jackson's one now, I'm pretty sure. Uh they they still own that one. Um and yeah, it's fucking great. And then we've got like the interface is a UAD um Apollo X16, which is great. Got some uh Bay 1073s, some Heritage 1073s, which are just preamps, um, germanium uh preamps as well, those blue guys, those are awesome. Um the Germanian stuff's great and has this like awesome distortion to it. They've got DIs in the front of them. Oh love on bass guitar, and they have a button that's called thick. Okay, press in.

Jacko 1:05:52

Is that is it like nuke on the distressor? It's just everything.

Owen 1:05:54

It's like yeah, it's kind of just like a bunch of bottom end yeah, it sounds great. And then yeah, distressor, a DBX165, which is like a DBX 160, but you can adjust the attack and release times. A uh 1178, which is just an 1176 but stereo, uh a ProArt VLA2, and then some focus wrap preamps, but they're the blue and grey ones, so they're rivet and eve designed, focus write pre's. Damn. Um and then yeah, monitors, NS10s, and then some head audio type 7s that I won in an Instagram giveaway. No fucking way. Yeah, dude. I was fucking stoked. I won them uh a while ago, maybe 2020, 2021. Um, an MSM engineer who is an engineer in the UK, and he was like the engineer behind the start of the Grime scene, so he recorded like JMA Skepta was a part of that whole crew when Grime was was starting in the UK. Uh he was doing a giveaway, and uh my name was drawn out of the hat, and they sent me over a pair of those. And they're awesome, man. They're awesome, yeah. I love them.

Jimmy 1:06:59

So with the I know my mate explaining he had a couple of different types of speakers around his computer for when he's mixing stuff, so you can hear it different ways. Is that what we've got set up here?

Owen 1:07:12

Pretty much the NS10s on the inside, most studios around the world have NS10s. The reason for that is because they were originally designed as um they were, I believe they were released in the 80s as Yamaha's like go-to home hi-fi speaker. Like if you have a record player at home or a you know an A-track tape player or whatever it is that you've got, you should have NS10s because they sound amazing and they sound fantastic, and everyone should put them in their home as like bush bookshelf speakers. Yep. Um and then everyone did that and they sound like fucking shit.

Jacko 1:07:49

So we put them in every studio. You can know how your shit it's gonna sound.

Owen 1:07:54

They assume like the mid-range um of NS10s is super pushed forward. Um, mid-range being like where you're uh where like the human voice typically sits in the frequency spectrum. Um guitars typically sit there. So I mean they sound nasally, is a way that you could describe how NS10s sound, but studios started snapping them up and and buying all of them from people who had them in their homes and and got rid of them. And um studios now have them because the the thinking behind them is if you can make your mix sound good on NS10s, then by rights they your mix should sound good anywhere. Yeah, and there's there's more extreme versions of them as well, or more extreme versions of that principle as well. Like there's the aura tone uh speakers, which often are just like people set them up as just a mono speaker and they sound super duper crap. Um, and they're just like, yeah, if your mix sounds good there, you get this like magnifying glass in the mid-range and whatever. Yep. Um and then yeah, the the heads are I I quite like them, they're quite balanced, they have a ribbon tweeter in them, which I think is interesting. Um yeah, yeah, it was so head is uh the people that started doing that is Adams Audio, which were a company in the city. They look like Adams, like the A7X's sort of thing.

Jacko 1:09:06

That's that's when I first walked in here, I actually thought they were that.

Owen 1:09:08

I'm pretty sure the yarn is that like head is a some dude like split off from Adams and made heads. Yeah.

Jacko 1:09:16

It's fucking awesome.

Owen 1:09:18

Yeah, no, it's great.

Jacko 1:09:19

Um like your Gibson Explorer.

Owen 1:09:22

Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Uh I think no. No, it's already a technical headphones besides the headphones, of course. That looks so competitive. I want a fucking chair, right? Yeah. I um I think my bit of gear that I think is super uh aside from like my comp I just bought a new computer, which is awesome. Um, but I have I'm a really chic guitar player, so I have a really big pedal board. Um something about that, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I I've got like I mean the best things that I have on my board is A, it runs mono in stereo out, which is great. And I've got like a a big sky and a boss DD500 and a Electroharmonics Epitome, which is like a pog, a holy grail, and a phase mistress.

Jacko 1:10:10

Fucking hell, I've never even heard of that. It's fucking rude. Sounds mad, yeah.

Owen 1:10:13

Yeah, and you can you can set the the pog to only be on the tails of the holy grail, so you get like a shimmer thing, which is fun. That's cool. Um, but I love that because A, I can pull like heaps of great guitar tones and and atmosphere effects, and you know, make guitars sound like synthesizers and shit, which I think is super fun. Uh, but then also I love I use particularly the reverb and the delay, I use it when I'm mixing as well. So I'll like re-amp vocals through the guitar pedals because I love it's crazy. Just being able to touch things, yeah, like especially for delay throws, like some of the re the some of the delay settings have like a freeze function, you know, you can grab words at the end and hold down the button and it freezes them out, it talks them out.

Jacko 1:10:58

Yeah, my um my guitarist has the uh AHX freeze. Yeah, and we do that for like between songs like when we're tuning and stuff. So just freeze up and we all look at each other and go, yeah, and then it kills it as we hit something. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I love the idea of running vocals through things that vocals kind of like you know, I shouldn't go through. I mean, who's gonna fucking stop ya? Uh but yeah, it's um there's so many cool guitar pedals, and they're significantly cheaper than what it would be to get like rack pieces that do the same thing. 100%. Um, just get a different fucking cable, just make the shit work.

Owen 1:11:27

Yeah, I've got um shout out to Franklin Audio as well, who uh uh Aussie manufacturer of uh audio equipment. Franklin Audio uh DI and reamp box as well on either end of my re-amping chain to make it beautiful and awesome, which is great.

Jacko 1:11:41

That's a great setup.

Owen 1:11:42

Yeah, it's fucking it's really great. It's it's yeah, it's awesome. It's kind of my I take it everywhere. Like I take it to every session with me, and it obviously does all the guitar things that like you can pull fucking whatever tone you want out of it. Yeah. Um but yeah, great for reamping drums and stuff as well. I've also got a striman iridium, which is like the amp sim thing. So if I'm in a space where I can't set up an amp and I want to do the distortion thing, that kind of helps in a pinch as well.

Jacko 1:12:08

Yeah, awesome. Yeah, it's fucking probably a really good idea to have that just sitting handy for those moments. Yeah, yeah.

Owen 1:12:13

It's also I love it for when we're doing writing sessions as well, just like crack that out and it's just like fucking DI the guitar and you've got a bit of an amp to five straight away.

Jacko 1:12:21

When you're riding as well, you don't want to be setting up fucking everything a lot of the times. Yeah, because it takes so much tweaking to get them to sound like half okay. And you know, sometimes you just turn an amp on, you're like, yup, that's it, it just sounds like a fucking amp. Yeah, VSTs are like they've come a long way. Like I I still view VSTs almost as like a line six spider.

Owen 1:12:42

For sure, but in insane mode, dude.

Jacko 1:12:44

Yeah, yeah, which is awesome. Don't get me wrong, but yeah, there's just like a certain this is like just not right to it, um, which I couldn't theoretically explain, but yeah, like a lot of tweaking to get it to kind of sound like what an amp would sound like if you just turned it on and left it alone.

Owen 1:13:01

Um have you thought about going down for your guitar rig? Have you thought about the like um helix or the camper or the like quad cortex route?

Jacko 1:13:14

Um we're fucking Neanderthals, you know what I mean? Like we want to I want I want I want tube amps, yeah, I want fucking noise. Um but in the same breath, like when I did the Bloom thing, they run through a quad cortex, like an X uh X32 Sinizer, fucking IAMs, wireless guitar. I I love it because I I love the idea of just like in like touring and stuff, like we just pick up one fucking box and there's the whole band. Yeah, I love that idea, but we still want to rock the fucking orange heads and the marshall heads and stuff. Um so I'm lining up a hybrid, um, which is gonna be an interesting sort of thing because fundamentally, if I want the same result, then I need the sound desk to send me individual copies of each like submix. Like I need you to send me the guitars, the bass, the whole drum mix, all the vocals, and then I run it into my interface, which then comes out into our ears. Sounds like a punish, you know what I mean? So like I'm not a sound engineer, everyone's gonna hate you. Yeah, and I don't want to do that either, but that that's the problem. So um I'm trialling the um orange stomps.

Owen 1:14:18

Oh, yeah.

Jacko 1:14:18

Um, it's got like a line out sort of thing to it, and in a pinch, if we can't set the rig up, then we can still just fucking put it to a cab sort of thing. It's 20 watt valve preamp. Um, so that might be a good middle ground. Um, but yeah, fundamentally, um, we haven't really got there yet, and we have to experiment. So on our album launch, that's probably when we'll try. Um, we're getting a lot of the stems, and we're gonna experiment with like uh a lot of the noises in some of the tracks are massive delay throws and just fucking we we we we we sort of noises, and we can we replicate that live, but we kind of at least Billy and I, my guitarists, just want to um play and have fun and not really try and make all this noise and play things at the same time, yeah. Um so yeah, um definitely still we just want to rock up, put amps on and play. That's what we've always done. Um but yeah, I am starting to nerd out a little bit, and in that nerding out, I want the whole in-ears rig. Not I don't think we need to be on clicks, like we are pretty tight, but obviously, if we want to play trucks out in front of house, we have to be in time with it when it's going to happen, which consequently it means it means a click. So um, but yeah, how you do that I'm not sure yet. If I figure it out or let you know, if you have any advice, I'd love to hear it.

Owen 1:15:31

Well, I've just started venturing into this world playing uh with clicks, playing with a country artist at the moment, and she had all of her songs produced in Nashville and they all sound fantastic. Um and the band pretty much has it covered. The only thing that's on the click is like her BVs, some synth stuff because there's not a Keys player in the band. Yeah. Um and that's pretty much it, really, to be honest. But and we've gotten away with uh we're playing a gig next weekend, but we're all gonna be we've all got IMs and we've all got click. That's because it's like a bigger gig where like it's all kind of sorted for us. Yeah, but we've been just rehearsing, we're just the drummer on the click as well, and that does the job, and that could be that could be the vibe for you guys, yeah. As long as the drum is locking it down and you're still playing to the drummer, then it's a fucking piece of piss. Yeah, absolutely.

Jacko 1:16:22

And that's where um yeah, my guitarists and my bassists have sort of landed. Like we and I feel like you'd get more of a natural experience that way anyway. If everyone's like punishing themselves trying to be on the click, um, a lot of our stuff that has a lot of push and pull to it, it just depends on how we feel and what happens. Um, but yeah, if if my drummer brother is locked into the click and we just play as we were, then probably would notice there is a click. Um, so that is definitely a massive option. Um I I'm buying a lot of this shit, so I kind of want to be like a little bit selfish. Like if I'm buying the fucking XR18 and doing all this fucking stuff, I want stereo at in ears, because why the fuck wouldn't I? Yeah. Um, but yeah, that may not be a reality, unfortunately.

Owen 1:17:01

The other kind of easy slash cost effective slash like if just the drummer's gonna do it, and then you can be flexible with it, is we I'm running tracks off a Roland SPD. Yeah, he had one of those a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like it just sits next to Harry the drummer, and Harry just like hits one pad, the click runs out of its own separate output, which you can run stereo. So clicks and cues run as their own thing that just go to monitors. Yeah, and then uh the track comes out of the main output, yeah. Uh, and that's it. And it's just like having two extra DIs on stage with you and it's a piece of awesome, which is um kind of yeah, how we've been doing it. I I also went through the process of setting up all the clicks and cues.

Jacko 1:17:45

Yeah, it's fun, isn't it?

Owen 1:17:47

Chorus. I I've tried that.

Jacko 1:17:50

Like, did you did you speak into the mic to do it?

Owen 1:17:52

Nah, I went and downloaded, I mean it's like massive in the worship world, right?

Jacko 1:17:55

So I just went and downloaded some like went down the same fucking rabbit hole, man.

Owen 1:17:59

Went and stole some fucking chip samples.

Jacko 1:18:01

Totally just jacked fucking um uh uh text to speech AI. Nice, but I set a loop back in my door so I recorded into my door and then I pressed the button. So I'll be like, one fucking loop back, record, go, press plage. One, and then I kill the recording. I did that for fucking one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, and then like a verse, bridge, chord, like just all the standard shit. Fucking tedious. Uh took me ages, lined up all the clicks. Um, and in the record, we sometimes go like do two BPM faster in choruses, so I had to like ear that out, and then um did all that stuff, lined it all up. Um, I dropped all of the um audio files into a sampler and then just used a mini keyboard to get it to speak. And then the boys went, I fucking hate this shit. Fuck, dude.

Owen 1:18:46

Like you do fucking uh like voice AI and get like Morgan Freeman or yeah, um, yeah, fucking I thought that was so funny.

Jacko 1:18:57

Um yeah, like I I think you'd uh agree, like you kind of need it to at least I'd think start things so you actually start where you're supposed to start. Like if we end up a bar four, then samples are gonna come out of front house in in the wrong fucking spot. So I've left the star ones with all the verses and you know the chorus, we know where we are, so that makes sense. I just deleted all that stuff. Um yeah, it's an interesting rabbit hole. It just it seems like there's something that just doesn't fucking end, really. There's so many different ways to do it.

Owen 1:19:25

100%, yeah. Yeah, and it like scales from like yeah, just doing it with an SPD and your drummer on the track to like you know, fucking cunts with like teleprompters and the fucking lyrics of like, yeah, no, it's that's John Mayer shit. Like it's fucking nuts.

Jacko 1:19:42

Yeah, I can play nail nuts, yeah. Yeah, it's um it's an interesting thing, but again, it's it's exciting, you know, it's it's different, um, which is I think important in this. Like we've been playing since 2019, and you've got to do things to to make it interesting, you know. It's changing the genre, writing differently, introducing new gear and stuff. I feel like as tedious as it can be sometimes, it's worth it, even if nothing amounts from it. At least you you know learn stuff from it, and something you do in the future may um introduce what you had learnt. Um, but otherwise, if you do the same shit over and over, you just get fucking sick of it. Yeah, um, so it'll be an interesting thing. But uh yeah, we I got the Neanderthal thing because we played with a band who was like the full metal core fucking rig. They would have had like a 20 IU fucking rack, you know. I'm pretty sure they had camper for each guitar, like full just fucking wild stuff. We're awesome. Like if you can do it, fucking do it. Especially metal core, that makes a lot of sense.

Owen 1:20:36

Yeah.

Jacko 1:20:36

Um, but yeah, we were carried in cabs and and the vocalists. I'm not gonna name anyone, but it said the fucking Billy, like, oh you guys are Neanderthals, and he was like, What? Sorry, we don't all have 30 grand fucking bomb and shit.

Owen 1:20:49

Also, that's like there's there was a metal band that recorded up here, and like fucking everything was like locked um insanely down to the click, which is fine, but then all the drums were re-triggered, all the guitars were done, midi guitars that were then like no way, yeah, bro. And it's just like at that point, you're making EDM, yeah like you know what I mean.

Jacko 1:21:11

Totally, totally fucking making and I and I hear that in a lot of things as well. Like, I don't I I definitely don't have much of a refined ear this early on, but I'm starting to hear that um a lot of it to me is just kind of pop music, and there's a lot of fucking like when it hits, it hits. There's so many metal core songs I fucking love, but there is a lot of emulation of other metal core bands, and and that is where I feel like you're into this grey area of it like just being distorted pop music, yeah. Same as um country at the moment. I feel like is just pop music with banjos, big time, bro.

Jimmy 1:21:44

We can't we can't go on episode without speaking about country music. I realised the other day my band wrote a fucking country song anyway.

Jacko 1:21:55

So um, yeah, it's an interesting thing. Like my wife and I love country heaps into Tyler Childers at the moment. Um I'm a massive Nick Shoulders fan, um, Culture Wall, stuff like that. I grew up on a lot of blues, like all of my guitar stuff falls back into blues. Every everything I do is um based off blues, basically. Um, so I'm not shit talking country, like there's some fucking great country. Um but yeah, it's just a certain emulation that I think happens when you you know replace things and start adding um yeah, as you said, like EDM-based sort of approaches to things, like it just sort of polishes it a little too much, which is what I like about my sort of genre, is like it's scratchy, you know, like there's a bit of it's maybe not exactly perfect, but it's fucking real. Like I I like to just keep the whole thing um during the writing process, the recording process, the whole thing is like it just has to be like raw. Yeah, um, yeah, it's a definitely a fine line, I feel cool, cool.

Jimmy 1:22:55

So um we've spoken about a lot. Um one thing I wanted to touch on is a couple of your band songs. Um Jacko when he sent me over some songs about a month ago, whatever, and um I listened to them and then I just started listening to to Resident and then I was like, why didn't you send me this song?

Jacko 1:23:17

Yeah, is it Taste You Left? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So funny that you say that. Um I fucking cringed at that shit for ages, and again, this is what I was saying earlier about like I don't really have an honest representation of how my music is perceived. Yeah, because I made cringe the fuck out of it, but someone else thinks it's the best thing ever, which Taste You Left is the best example. Uh recently I had to do, like I had to write all the lyrics out. Someone had asked me ages ago for like I just can't find the lyrics. Um so I knew it was gonna be a tedious process, I had to go through and word everything out. Uh, listened to Taste You Left for the first time since we pretty much recorded it, and I was sitting at my desk and I was like, James is right. I literally was like, This is this is alright. Like my my my recollection of it was like I don't know, just I just didn't like how I was vocally doing things, but like the guitar stuff is fucking awesome. Uh it's kind of like probably the most poppy banger that we probably will ever do in a way. Um but yeah, I thought that was hilarious. It like my perception entirely changed after yeah, like five years or something. I was like, this is okay. Cool. Um, but yeah, that's um is there is there a song you're most proud of? Yeah, um verbatim. Um sort of leaning more in towards like just being like honest regardless of how it makes me feel, which I guess ties into what I was just saying. Like, I don't really care if I fucking cringe, like if it feels true and real to me, then it is what it is.

Jimmy 1:24:41

And I just told the world I pissed my pants at work. Yeah, that's fucking true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, verbatim.

Jacko 1:24:49

Uh yeah, verbatim. Um I think is um it's hard to say this without sounding like a fucking wank, you know.

Jimmy 1:24:57

No, I've asked you to, it's alright.

Jacko 1:24:59

Sold. Um it I feel like it's the most art-esque song that we've written. There's just something about it that like I can't imagine myself writing something like that again, and that's what I love about it so much, is it didn't really have a it needs to be heavy, it needs to have a cool breakdown, needs to be riffy or has to be catchy, and it it just is what it what it was, you know. Um so yeah, verbatim is definitely up there for me. Um clouds um is definitely like a crowd favourite sort of thing. Um clouds was like I was listening to like a lot of um Drake and like issues and just super pop melody type things, and you can really hear that in the like pre-chorus into the chorus, just super, I guess catchy was the idea. Um I love clouds uh and paveway is the first one that we ever brought out. That's um it was a massive, massive thing uh for me personally, like playing again. I was in a I was in a pop band up here on the coast for a long time and it was um it was a pretty sour relationship. They were interesting people um who did some pretty fucked up things towards the end, and um yeah, uh I had a record there when I was real young. Um it sort of just blew everything apart. And when I left, I'd written a lot of stuff and I said, like, you know, use it if you want, but like I would prefer if you didn't, and they used it and it fucking blew up, you know. So I spent a lot of time alone in the bush in fucking Sassnock. Um when I just moved up there, didn't know anyone, I had nowhere to turn to, and I just processed it all alone. Um, and that's pretty much what um started Resident in a way. So Paveway means a lot to me because it was the first, like, I have no idea how this is gonna go. Um well it's one of my favourite songs of yours. So that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. It's every time I hear it, I'm like, yeah, this is fucking cool. Like it's just an interesting progression and stuff, um like the outro breakdown thing's really cool. Um yeah, but it's just a hard question to answer because like you know, my perception is entirely different to like the listener's perception in a way. Um so I don't really know what our best song is. Like if you uh ignore numbers, I I couldn't tell you. Um it's an interesting I I I always think about this, it's a very interesting concept.

Jimmy 1:27:11

Yeah.

Jacko 1:27:12

Producing art in a way, because what I think is the best may be someone's least favourite. I I can't tell. Oh no, it's all subjective, I get that.

Jimmy 1:27:20

Yeah, no, no, um 100%. No, just suppose it gives me asking you, you know, I'm gonna go back and listen to Verbatim again, that's for sure. I'll listen to on the way home, actually. Um yeah, cool. And so outside of outside of music, we know you like to skate a little bit. Is there anything you got any other hobbies?

Jacko 1:27:41

Um, just leaning into like renovations and stuff at the moment. It's not really a hobby, but um, you know, I've been sort of uh deep diving how to fucking do anything, how to do it alone and not fuck it up, you know. Um uh yeah, like I've got three dogs and two cats. Um, they're the best fucking things ever. Um so we just play a lot in the back. It's a very um it's a very quiet life, which I'm only now learning to really appreciate. But uh yeah, really as as much as I can and try and like focus on the producing and stuff, just trying to be like proactive. Um yeah, skating, play PlayStation and stuff. Not as much, but I grew up um playing a lot of COD, stuff like that. Um so yeah, just typical That's Call of Duty, James.

Owen 1:28:25

Yeah, Call of Duty for the computer games. Uh get into your wine work up that much?

Jacko 1:28:31

Uh not really. I'm not a massive guy, don't mind reds and stuff. Um my mum used to get the um the fucking goonsack fruity lexica and when I was like 14, 15 used to fill up pump bottles and go down the oval and uh um delete it. Uh so wine wine just uh nah not a thing. Um yeah, we go out, we have um lunch with family out there quite a bit and stuff. Uh I go to Fallpines uh brewery, it's like a farm piece up there. Awesome. Um I take my motorbike mainly around the vineyards um just for the fucking views and stuff. So I go there like to the wineries and stuff quite a bit, but not as much as I probably should living where I do. Um but yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't really have many hobbies. I don't fucking know actually.

Owen 1:29:19

What are your three dogs and two cats' names?

Jacko 1:29:21

Uh Zephyr, uh Luna Dasha. Zephyr's a deer hound, great dang crossbull around. He's 56 keg. Fuck me, dad. Um, when I'm six foot two and a bit, when I stand up tall and he sits down, I just pat him. I don't have to lean. Yeah, big boy. He's terrified. Uh yeah, Luna's uh Staffy Cross uh cattle. She's fucking awesome, absolutely full of beans, crazy all the time, but she's like super super loyal, means well. Just she's like, I love you so much, I want to be in your actually cutting me. Like, stop jumping on me. Um Dasha's a husky, which has been interesting. Um, I'm probably gonna leave kilos of hair here. Um I've just accepted it. That's just my fate now. Um, yeah, Lupin has a ragdoll cross, and then the Harry Potter theme here. I guess so, yeah. I've never fucking put that together. I do love Harry Potter, I'm not gonna lie. Never even put it together. Yeah, and then uh Felix.

Owen 1:30:18

Nice.

Jacko 1:30:18

Uh yeah, Felix is a uh Felix the cat. Felix the cat, yeah. That should be one of your dog's names, that well um Lupin uh was originally Luna because we thought he was a girl and he was not a girl. They just have super small balls. My um my my not even a joke, like the doctor was like, That's that's a boy, and we were like, What? So yeah, my mate's dog's a hermaphrodite.

Jimmy 1:30:41

Wow, yeah, it's got both sex organs. That's pretty much interesting, yeah. So uh thought it was a girl full of testosterone and then talk to the vet. The vet's like, oh yeah, you dog's a hermaphrodite.

Jacko 1:30:53

I didn't never know that could be a thing with dogs.

Jimmy 1:30:54

I mean, it you know it could be a thing with anything. Makes sense, yeah. Yeah, 2025. It's true.

Owen 1:31:02

Amazing. Um, and when is when and where is album launch happening?

Jacko 1:31:08

Uh so King Street, uh December 13th. Um we're trying to to line up some pretty fucking awesome bands. Um so we're in the very early stages, but uh whatever forever, we've just hit up. I don't know if you're familiar with them. Um great friends of ours. Um Nick is uh Nick and Charn Justice for the Damned. Um Nick is now the full-time guitarist for Kublai Khan, who is in Texas. Uh so there's a lot of uh is are they even in the country? Um but yeah, fingers crossed. Um Jack Rudder as well should definitely give Ruddsey a shout-out. He's um yeah, works for Speed and stuff as well. Um recently just worked with Nike, had a full showcase uh a lot of Newcastle hardcore um in uh Seoul in Korea, which is awesome and massive fucking canvases and stuff. So proud of him. Um he does a lot of stuff for us. Um we're all really good friends, uh, so we're trying to make that work. And then um, yeah, band called Jux, Levy Desire, who are fucking awesome uh from Newcastle. Um and then yeah, in the the midst of the middle of that, we're trying to dial someone in. But um, yeah, it's a King Street. Um very excited. It'll be once once this is out, ideally we just hit the ground running and don't stop. So we've been like on a little bit, I wouldn't call it a hiatus because it's probably never been more busy, but it's very publicly quiet, uh, which is cool. You know, we just get to do our thing and make it work. But um yeah, hopefully something happens, which be awesome. And if it doesn't, we're still fucking stoked. You know, we worked hard on something, and um every time I hear it, I'm like, this is uh resident to me. Like we spent a long time not really sure of who we are, what we sound like, what we look like, sort of thing, but we're all very comfortable and working with some incredibly um talented people. Um so and that is enough for me to be happy, you know. So fuck yeah. Yeah, it's been a fucking ride, you know.

Jimmy 1:33:01

Yeah. You actually um you're telling me you got your album Mastered Overseas, didn't you? Was that sorry? Did you get your the record mastered overseas?

Jacko 1:33:08

What yeah, it got mastered by Ryan. Oh yeah, I should mention this. Um Ryan Smith from Sterling Sound. Oh nice. Uh do you know who that is? Yeah, who's a credit?

Owen 1:33:16

No, Sterling Sound, not familiar with the Ryan Smith particularly, but all of Sterling mastering engineers are fucking weapons.

Jacko 1:33:22

Yeah, phenomenal. Um it was actually Elliot's suggestion. Yeah, and and I understand the logic isn't essentially said like I've spent so much time in the mix, the production of it, and that you just get blinded to obvious things, which which makes a lot of sense. So some fresh ears, different speakers, different desk, and I think things will pick up. So um, yeah, I thought it was going to uh one place who did summer speed stuff, um, and then I just got a link and it was um Ryan Smith at Sterling's hand, and I was like, oh okay, look, who the fuck is that? Um the accreditations are fucking insane. Like his career highlights have um Adele, Beyonce, Ozzy Osborne, um bands within our genre as well. It was everyone, hey. I just when you showed me, I was like, you just scroll and every and every Elvis Presley, my mum lost a fucking mind. It was just like a vinyl of like um a compilation sort of thing, but still fucking awesome. Um turnover peripheral vision blew my fucking mind away. Um, turnstile, time and space, couldn't fucking believe. So yeah, we're I don't know, like I I can hear it. There's definitely still some of that like harder, you know, turnstile as sort of approach to it, but then there's like a lot of clarity in the um the choruses and stuff that I feel comes from that like a devil sort of big moment type thing. Yeah, um, Chobby. Yeah, it's very interesting. Um, and for my ears trying to learn how to produce as well, it's um yeah, the test masters that we had, which were only to get it loud enough to have a reference later listening to that versus the actual masters themselves. It's it's very interesting how different the master alone can shape the entire record. Yeah, like it it almost every decision that we made, not that it becomes null and void, but like you know, if you were to fuck up the final process of something, like you could ruin all of it in a way. We um and I know that by the flip side, like it just made it unbelievably good, yeah. Um so super, super interesting. Um, yeah, a lot of uh a lot of this has touched a lot of really cool people. Um and yeah, ran through a desk in Nashville. Fucking awesome. Like what a crazy and then my Gibson Explorer Gibson uh is uh was made in Nashville, you know. I was just like full circle, full circle in a way.

Jimmy 1:35:34

It's fucking awesome. You say Gibson as much as you want, but you realise me and no one get the shit right. Uh sorry, the audio technique, yeah, yeah. You get a Gibby endorsement of that.

Owen 1:35:44

Take a 335. Thanks.

Jimmy 1:35:48

Uh cool. So um look, I mean, uh we've had a fantastic chat today. We could probably keep going forever, but um at some point we're gonna have to wrap it up. Uh, one thing I like to do to wrap up the podcast is to get um get you to recommend me a song. So um look if you can recommend one of your own band songs if you want, but you don't have to, it can be absolutely anything out there. Something you listen to growing up that you love, something that's been tickling your fancy recently. Um, but yeah, that's how that's how we like to finish it up here. So I'll give you a minute to think, and I'm just gonna do a little um thank you to everybody for listening. Um, because without the listeners, we don't have a podcast. I'd also love to thank um Scott Nolan for everything they do down here and um you know the Grove Studios and the Grove Studios Academy for letting me come down here and and and do this. It's been amazing, it's always fun.

Owen 1:36:44

Pleasure. It's always great. Well, I mean, without the gift of the gab, we wouldn't have a podcast, Jimmy. So thank you.

Jacko 1:36:51

Uh Citizen Ring of Chain. Huge um repences right now, actually. Um, yeah, that's um changed my fucking life. That um I think Citizen in general uh was a m I mean the name Resident as well, like it's a massive inspiration for us. Um there's something about Ring of Chain. I don't know what it is, it feels like the end of a chapter. Um in the time in my life listening to that. I fucking needed that shit big time. Um, yeah, that would be my favourite song on planet earth.

Owen 1:37:19

Cool.

Jacko 1:37:20

Huge bad. Yeah.

Jimmy 1:37:22

Um, you got anything else you want to bring up or I don't think so.

Owen 1:37:27

Thanks so much.

Jimmy 1:37:28

Pleasure. Thank you for having me. Yeah, it's been fucking awesome. It's been fun. Hell yeah. Cool. Nice one. Good week. See you next time. Let's go.